does proviron crash estrogen?

[deilar]

I am using 200mg a week of test and started using proviron a week ago at 25mgs a day. i've started feeling grumpy and angry like my estrogen crashed down to near zero which has happened to me before and i've always tested low estrogen. my question is if it was possible the proviron could really crash estrogen like this.

 

[going2cycle]

Maybe it didnt crash you just feel like that. Try dropping proviron to see but it's not that strong of an AI.

 

[SteveSmi]

yes it is possible. obviously your bloodwork isn't lying

 

[Mobster]

I 'hear' how it' supposed to not. But it's a steroid

 

[cbbram]

yes it's possible...

 

[dylangemelli]

im sorry but proviron at 25 mg per day in only ONE WEEK DID NOT crash your estrogen...

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Get blood work but extremely unlikely. Proviron is not an AI and will not have that dramatic of an effect that quickly.

 

[RickRock]

Yeah its possible. If im on just trt and use proviron it crashes me

 

[Kyle511]

Yeah its possible. If im on just trt and use proviron it crashes me

I just signed up specifically because of your comment and hope you are still active on this forum...

Long story short, I have the exact same problem.

However, I must (!) find a way to get a small dose of DHT into my system to solve a case of bad lower urinary symptoms.

Please believe me when I say that this is the only thing that works. For several yers, I have traveled the world, seen many specialists, spent a small fortune, etc... DHT is the only thing that fixes me.

A couple years ago, I tried a small dose of DHT (Proviron) with regular TRT dosages up to 120mg of Test Cypionate per week. It works for a very short amount of time (days) before crashing my estrogen. I have tried this many times and confirmed with lab tests.

From your experience, what is the best way to solve this? How much test do you need to combat the Proviron crashing you Estrogen?

I would like to keep the Test and Proviron dosages as low as possible, but obviously without crashing the Estrogen.

Generally, my response to DHT is as follows:

- HPTA suppressed my HPTA (LH/FSH/T) but does not shut it down
- SHBG is around 25 without HRT, but DHT will lower it.
- Very easy to crash my Estrogens/E2

Without DHT the best I've ever felt on TRT was 10mg SubQ ED Test Cypionate. But I cannot add Proviron at this dosage. As a matter of fact, I'm sure I could not do it on 20mg SubQ ED either.

I assume going to Propionate would be an option to aromatize a bit more?

I would be very thankful for any feedback.

 

[RickRock]

I just signed up specifically because of your comment and hope you are still active on this forum...

Long story short, I have the exact same problem.

However, I must (!) find a way to get a small dose of DHT into my system to solve a case of bad lower urinary symptoms.

Please believe me when I say that this is the only thing that works. For several yers, I have traveled the world, seen many specialists, spent a small fortune, etc... DHT is the only thing that fixes me.

A couple years ago, I tried a small dose of DHT (Proviron) with regular TRT dosages up to 120mg of Test Cypionate per week. It works for a very short amount of time (days) before crashing my estrogen. I have tried this many times and confirmed with lab tests.

From your experience, what is the best way to solve this? How much test do you need to combat the Proviron crashing you Estrogen?

I would like to keep the Test and Proviron dosages as low as possible, but obviously without crashing the Estrogen.

Generally, my response to DHT is as follows:

- HPTA suppressed my HPTA (LH/FSH/T) but does not shut it down
- SHBG is around 25 without HRT, but DHT will lower it.
- Very easy to crash my Estrogens/E2

Without DHT the best I've ever felt on TRT was 10mg SubQ ED Test Cypionate. But I cannot add Proviron at this dosage. As a matter of fact, I'm sure I could not do it on 20mg SubQ ED either.

I assume going to Propionate would be an option to aromatize a bit more?

I would be very thankful for any feedback.

I wouod try one of two things. Either a lower dose of proviron or dosing it evedy other day. It may give you the balance you need without crashing you. For those of us that have low estrogen sensitivity you have to improvise. The other alternative wouod be raising test but I dont recommend that if you are trying to stay at your TRT dose

 

[Fella Finn]

Rick has you all covered on this one!

 

[Kyle511]

I wouod try one of two things. Either a lower dose of proviron or dosing it evedy other day. It may give you the balance you need without crashing you. For those of us that have low estrogen sensitivity you have to improvise. The other alternative wouod be raising test but I dont recommend that if you are trying to stay at your TRT dose

Thanks for the fast reply.

Splitting Proviron sounds good. I think 12.5mg ED may be enough.

For me the effect isn't necessarily dosage dependent. Meaning more doesn't make it better. It is like a switch that allows proper control of pelvic floor muscles and libido.

The other idea is to use Propionate and hope it converts more into Estrogen that way.

However, as another idea.... Ever thought about taking any Estradiol? MtF seem to start on 1mg ED. This will put their E2 >200 (mostly in combination with androgen/a5r inhibitors).

So I was thinking if you assume a linear response 0.05mg should cause E2 to jump by about 10 points. Ie - If you take that small 0.05mg dosage it should be impossible to crash your estrogen. Any thoughts on this?

 

[going2cycle]

Thanks for the fast reply.

Splitting Proviron sounds good. I think 12.5mg ED may be enough.

For me the effect isn't necessarily dosage dependent. Meaning more doesn't make it better. It is like a switch that allows proper control of pelvic floor muscles and libido.

The other idea is to use Propionate and hope it converts more into Estrogen that way.

However, as another idea.... Ever thought about taking any Estradiol? MtF seem to start on 1mg ED. This will put their E2 >200 (mostly in combination with androgen/a5r inhibitors).

So I was thinking if you assume a linear response 0.05mg should cause E2 to jump by about 10 points. Ie - If you take that small 0.05mg dosage it should be impossible to crash your estrogen. Any thoughts on this?

You should not take estradiol, you can really mess up your heart and have nasty issues with it. It's not a joke to use e2 and can have serious long term concequences.

You should just lower AI down to nothing and cut proviron to 12.5mgs eod and increase short ester use like testosterone propionate and add sustanon if you want many peaks on estrogen.

 

[Kyle511]

You should not take estradiol, you can really mess up your heart and have nasty issues with it. It's not a joke to use e2 and can have serious long term concequences.

You should just lower AI down to nothing and cut proviron to 12.5mgs eod and increase short ester use like testosterone propionate and add sustanon if you want many peaks on estrogen.

Thanks. You guys are much more experienced than me and I appreciate your input.

But my problem is a serious case of estrogen sensitivity. I can literally crash my Estrogen with things like DIM or Quercetin. Easily.

I believe my options are:

a) Take a high dosage of T - potentially some fast acting ester (I will achieve higher conversion of T to E but also of T to DHT. I'm naturally high DHT so this isn't a good thing. I would never touch A5Rs!!)

b) Male to Female transgenders take 1mg of Estradiol+. Maybe take 5% of that dosage. I understand the risks you had outlined, but they must be somewhat managable, if they are also used in sex transition? (Ie as long as E2 doesn't go stupid high?)

I am a total rookie. I really have no idea about this. It is an assumption out of desperation to find a solution to my problem.

Thank you for your help and advice!

 

[GHgut4life]

Thanks. You guys are much more experienced than me and I appreciate your input.

But my problem is a serious case of estrogen sensitivity. I can literally crash my Estrogen with things like DIM or Quercetin. Easily.

I believe my options are:

a) Take a high dosage of T - potentially some fast acting ester (I will achieve higher conversion of T to E but also of T to DHT. I'm naturally high DHT so this isn't a good thing. I would never touch A5Rs!!)

b) Male to Female transgenders take 1mg of Estradiol+. Maybe take 5% of that dosage. I understand the risks you had outlined, but they must be somewhat managable, if they are also used in sex transition? (Ie as long as E2 doesn't go stupid high?)

I am a total rookie. I really have no idea about this. It is an assumption out of desperation to find a solution to my problem.

Thank you for your help and advice!

I would take A) higher doses of testosterone I suggest you use sustanon 4 esters testosterone and inject EOD so you can get higher T levels up with 12.5mgs proviron EOD

I bet you'll be fine it wont crash your estrogen just try it