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tommy_CRITICAL

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First of all, i have to say much respect due to the guy(s) who started this sub - in the current climate with all the issues going on, this was needed...

But so far...I have to say that I'm very unimpressed with the Chinese (or any other) vendors on here

This sub makes it SO easy for you, we are all In here crying out for raws! It's like shooting fish in a barrel FFS!

WE KNOW that there are raws out there, yes maybe limited amounts compared to 12 months ago, but they are out there.

I can only assume that everyone else in here are like me, wanting to do real business with RAWS.

NOT PEPTIDES - I've got endless sources
NOT FINISHED PRODUCT

They probably think that by holding the raws back we will be queuing up to buy vials of stuff we have no idea regarding the conditions it was made in, what was used etc. just no...

Jesus Christ though you have a ready made customer base just sat here hoping someone else actually sees the opportunity.

Frustrating.


To the guys which run this sub - great job, sorry for the rant!

To China - you wanna change your approach before someone else steps In, because it WILL happen.
 
tommy_CRITICAL said:
First of all, i have to say much respect due to the guy(s) who started this sub - in the current climate with all the issues going on, this was needed...

But so far...I have to say that I'm very unimpressed with the Chinese (or any other) vendors on here

This sub makes it SO easy for you, we are all In here crying out for raws! It's like shooting fish in a barrel FFS!

WE KNOW that there are raws out there, yes maybe limited amounts compared to 12 months ago, but they are out there.

I can only assume that everyone else in here are like me, wanting to do real business with RAWS.

NOT PEPTIDES - I've got endless sources
NOT FINISHED PRODUCT

They probably think that by holding the raws back we will be queuing up to buy vials of stuff we have no idea regarding the conditions it was made in, what was used etc. just no...

Jesus Christ though you have a ready made customer base just sat here hoping someone else actually sees the opportunity.

Frustrating.


To the guys which run this sub - great job, sorry for the rant!

To China - you wanna change your approach before someone else steps In, because it WILL happen.
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I agree with you I think the China suppliers are holding back raws on purpose brother @tommy_CRITICAL
I heard the other day India is ramping up production to take over in 2026.
 
tommy_CRITICAL said:
First of all, i have to say much respect due to the guy(s) who started this sub - in the current climate with all the issues going on, this was needed...

But so far...I have to say that I'm very unimpressed with the Chinese (or any other) vendors on here

This sub makes it SO easy for you, we are all In here crying out for raws! It's like shooting fish in a barrel FFS!

WE KNOW that there are raws out there, yes maybe limited amounts compared to 12 months ago, but they are out there.

I can only assume that everyone else in here are like me, wanting to do real business with RAWS.

NOT PEPTIDES - I've got endless sources
NOT FINISHED PRODUCT

They probably think that by holding the raws back we will be queuing up to buy vials of stuff we have no idea regarding the conditions it was made in, what was used etc. just no...

Jesus Christ though you have a ready made customer base just sat here hoping someone else actually sees the opportunity.

Frustrating.


To the guys which run this sub - great job, sorry for the rant!

To China - you wanna change your approach before someone else steps In, because it WILL happen.
Click to expand...
We can control what we can control. I'm not going to stress out over things I have no control over.
 
tommy_CRITICAL said:
First of all, i have to say much respect due to the guy(s) who started this sub - in the current climate with all the issues going on, this was needed...

But so far...I have to say that I'm very unimpressed with the Chinese (or any other) vendors on here

This sub makes it SO easy for you, we are all In here crying out for raws! It's like shooting fish in a barrel FFS!

WE KNOW that there are raws out there, yes maybe limited amounts compared to 12 months ago, but they are out there.

I can only assume that everyone else in here are like me, wanting to do real business with RAWS.

NOT PEPTIDES - I've got endless sources
NOT FINISHED PRODUCT

They probably think that by holding the raws back we will be queuing up to buy vials of stuff we have no idea regarding the conditions it was made in, what was used etc. just no...

Jesus Christ though you have a ready made customer base just sat here hoping someone else actually sees the opportunity.

Frustrating.


To the guys which run this sub - great job, sorry for the rant!

To China - you wanna change your approach before someone else steps In, because it WILL happen.
Click to expand...
bro brew up your own trailer gear. my son does it
 
tommy_CRITICAL said:
First of all, i have to say much respect due to the guy(s) who started this sub - in the current climate with all the issues going on, this was needed...

But so far...I have to say that I'm very unimpressed with the Chinese (or any other) vendors on here

This sub makes it SO easy for you, we are all In here crying out for raws! It's like shooting fish in a barrel FFS!

WE KNOW that there are raws out there, yes maybe limited amounts compared to 12 months ago, but they are out there.

I can only assume that everyone else in here are like me, wanting to do real business with RAWS.

NOT PEPTIDES - I've got endless sources
NOT FINISHED PRODUCT

They probably think that by holding the raws back we will be queuing up to buy vials of stuff we have no idea regarding the conditions it was made in, what was used etc. just no...

Jesus Christ though you have a ready made customer base just sat here hoping someone else actually sees the opportunity.

Frustrating.


To the guys which run this sub - great job, sorry for the rant!

To China - you wanna change your approach before someone else steps In, because it WILL happen.
Click to expand...
bros some stuff going on right now. gonna be a tough few years but we will get through the dark days
 
So the Chinese suppliers here do NOT sell finished product. That's why we have other approved sources.
 
BodyMonster34 said:
bro brew up your own trailer gear. my son does it
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I'm not gonna go into detail, but let's just say I need A LOT, I'm currently managing (I've been doing this 5 years so have a lot of existing sources) but its borderline.

It's mainly seeing all the finished vials available that's annoying, don't get me wrong, I don't blame china for taking this approach.

However, where I am in the UK, most people wouldn't trust Chinese finished oils, they have far more trust in UGL setups. I guess though If push really comes to shove...
 
tommy_CRITICAL said:
First of all, i have to say much respect due to the guy(s) who started this sub - in the current climate with all the issues going on, this was needed...

But so far...I have to say that I'm very unimpressed with the Chinese (or any other) vendors on here

This sub makes it SO easy for you, we are all In here crying out for raws! It's like shooting fish in a barrel FFS!

WE KNOW that there are raws out there, yes maybe limited amounts compared to 12 months ago, but they are out there.

I can only assume that everyone else in here are like me, wanting to do real business with RAWS.

NOT PEPTIDES - I've got endless sources
NOT FINISHED PRODUCT

They probably think that by holding the raws back we will be queuing up to buy vials of stuff we have no idea regarding the conditions it was made in, what was used etc. just no...

Jesus Christ though you have a ready made customer base just sat here hoping someone else actually sees the opportunity.

Frustrating.


To the guys which run this sub - great job, sorry for the rant!

To China - you wanna change your approach before someone else steps In, because it WILL happen.
Click to expand...
I understand your frustration. But at the end of the day, I think we've gotten a little spoiled over the past decade With how available steroids have become.
 
tommy_CRITICAL said:
First of all, i have to say much respect due to the guy(s) who started this sub - in the current climate with all the issues going on, this was needed...

But so far...I have to say that I'm very unimpressed with the Chinese (or any other) vendors on here

This sub makes it SO easy for you, we are all In here crying out for raws! It's like shooting fish in a barrel FFS!

WE KNOW that there are raws out there, yes maybe limited amounts compared to 12 months ago, but they are out there.

I can only assume that everyone else in here are like me, wanting to do real business with RAWS.

NOT PEPTIDES - I've got endless sources
NOT FINISHED PRODUCT

They probably think that by holding the raws back we will be queuing up to buy vials of stuff we have no idea regarding the conditions it was made in, what was used etc. just no...

Jesus Christ though you have a ready made customer base just sat here hoping someone else actually sees the opportunity.

Frustrating.


To the guys which run this sub - great job, sorry for the rant!

To China - you wanna change your approach before someone else steps In, because it WILL happen.
Click to expand...
i think we get non appreciative of things in life. there was a time where you couldn't find many steroids. for years anavar and hgh were impossible to source
 
tommy_CRITICAL said:
First of all, i have to say much respect due to the guy(s) who started this sub - in the current climate with all the issues going on, this was needed...

But so far...I have to say that I'm very unimpressed with the Chinese (or any other) vendors on here

This sub makes it SO easy for you, we are all In here crying out for raws! It's like shooting fish in a barrel FFS!

WE KNOW that there are raws out there, yes maybe limited amounts compared to 12 months ago, but they are out there.

I can only assume that everyone else in here are like me, wanting to do real business with RAWS.

NOT PEPTIDES - I've got endless sources
NOT FINISHED PRODUCT

They probably think that by holding the raws back we will be queuing up to buy vials of stuff we have no idea regarding the conditions it was made in, what was used etc. just no...

Jesus Christ though you have a ready made customer base just sat here hoping someone else actually sees the opportunity.

Frustrating.


To the guys which run this sub - great job, sorry for the rant!

To China - you wanna change your approach before someone else steps In, because it WILL happen.
Click to expand...
I'm not sure man. this is tough i would stick to approved sources
 
tommy_CRITICAL said:
I'm not gonna go into detail, but let's just say I need A LOT, I'm currently managing (I've been doing this 5 years so have a lot of existing sources) but its borderline.

It's mainly seeing all the finished vials available that's annoying, don't get me wrong, I don't blame china for taking this approach.

However, where I am in the UK, most people wouldn't trust Chinese finished oils, they have far more trust in UGL setups. I guess though If push really comes to shove...
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As has been pointed out the raw material mostly comes from China. I've also seen 'online' UK prices and they take the biscuit.
 
tommy_CRITICAL said:
I'm not gonna go into detail, but let's just say I need A LOT, I'm currently managing (I've been doing this 5 years so have a lot of existing sources) but its borderline.

It's mainly seeing all the finished vials available that's annoying, don't get me wrong, I don't blame china for taking this approach.

However, where I am in the UK, most people wouldn't trust Chinese finished oils, they have far more trust in UGL setups. I guess though If push really comes to shove...
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bro okay, you should link up with son and he will show you how to do trailer bathtub gear and meth
 
GHgut4life said:
I agree with you I think the China suppliers are holding back raws on purpose brother @tommy_CRITICAL
I heard the other day India is ramping up production to take over in 2026.
Click to expand...
Definitely could be as you see this in all industry's they did this with gpus for computers cut supply to make it look like a shortage so people panic buy then bam magically production ramps back up months later
 
tommy_CRITICAL said:
I'm not gonna go into detail, but let's just say I need A LOT, I'm currently managing (I've been doing this 5 years so have a lot of existing sources) but its borderline.

It's mainly seeing all the finished vials available that's annoying, don't get me wrong, I don't blame china for taking this approach.

However, where I am in the UK, most people wouldn't trust Chinese finished oils, they have far more trust in UGL setups. I guess though If push really comes to shove...
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no one trusts chinese oils, even the Chinese dont buy finished from China brother
i tell them they dont listen
 
im going to @ some of our China suppliers
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tommy_CRITICAL said:
First of all, i have to say much respect due to the guy(s) who started this sub - in the current climate with all the issues going on, this was needed...

But so far...I have to say that I'm very unimpressed with the Chinese (or any other) vendors on here

This sub makes it SO easy for you, we are all In here crying out for raws! It's like shooting fish in a barrel FFS!

WE KNOW that there are raws out there, yes maybe limited amounts compared to 12 months ago, but they are out there.

I can only assume that everyone else in here are like me, wanting to do real business with RAWS.

NOT PEPTIDES - I've got endless sources
NOT FINISHED PRODUCT

They probably think that by holding the raws back we will be queuing up to buy vials of stuff we have no idea regarding the conditions it was made in, what was used etc. just no...

Jesus Christ though you have a ready made customer base just sat here hoping someone else actually sees the opportunity.

Frustrating.


To the guys which run this sub - great job, sorry for the rant!

To China - you wanna change your approach before someone else steps In, because it WILL happen.
Click to expand...
 
Noah Wixx said:
Definitely could be as you see this in all industry's they did this with gpus for computers cut supply to make it look like a shortage so people panic buy then bam magically production ramps back up months later
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I have had exactly the same opinion for a long time. About two weeks ago, I brought up this topic, but no one wanted to respond. Once again, in another field, the Chinese want to be smarter and earn even more. And everyone else has to be satisfied with small change. I suppose that production of raws started there in the spring. And everyone else has to be satisfied with small amounts. I suppose that the production of raw products started there in the spring. And I don't believe that they have enough finished products for their own needs and are unable to produce a few dozen kilograms more per week or over a longer period of time. They simply don't want to do it and want to force people to buy ready-made products. I am also surprised how many people here are starting to justify their manipulations on the grounds that they don't have raws. I understand that raws should not be in such quantities that they pop up everywhere or are advertised on television. But let's not exaggerate and say that it's not available at all. Especially since I know that customers do get certain quantities and batches. Some availability should be ensured for users of this forum. After all, they are promoted on this forum. I don't need much, but I can't even get a little.
 
Kapebam said:
I have had exactly the same opinion for a long time. About two weeks ago, I brought up this topic, but no one wanted to respond. Once again, in another field, the Chinese want to be smarter and earn even more. And everyone else has to be satisfied with small change. I suppose that production of raws started there in the spring. And everyone else has to be satisfied with small amounts. I suppose that the production of raw products started there in the spring. And I don't believe that they have enough finished products for their own needs and are unable to produce a few dozen kilograms more per week or over a longer period of time. They simply don't want to do it and want to force people to buy ready-made products. I am also surprised how many people here are starting to justify their manipulations on the grounds that they don't have raws. I understand that raws should not be in such quantities that they pop up everywhere or are advertised on television. But let's not exaggerate and say that it's not available at all. Especially since I know that customers do get certain quantities and batches. Some availability should be ensured for users of this forum. After all, they are promoted on this forum. I don't need much, but I can't even get a little.
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fully agreed brother i think the Chinese are trying to hold raws off the market on purpose
I love China but this has to stop or India will take over in time
 
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