EQ cycle observations

This isn’t a post where I am coming to ask a bunch of questions, but rather would like to share my experiences to see if they are similar to others on here. I ran Equipoise EQ boldenone on cycle by itself for 600mg a week and 12 weeks. I’m 2 weeks into PCT and still feel like I am gaining and I am amazed at how much clean lean muscle mass I have put on. EQ is now my favorite steroid
 

BigArms42

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This isn’t a post where I am coming to ask a bunch of questions, but rather would like to share my experiences to see if they are similar to others on here. I ran Equipoise EQ boldenone on cycle by itself for 600mg a week and 12 weeks. I’m 2 weeks into PCT and still feel like I am gaining and I am amazed at how much clean lean muscle mass I have put on. EQ is now my favorite steroid
The EQ is in your system still, thats why you feel like that. you should run pct longer +4 weeks because EQ has long half life
 

hall0w

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you don't need to run test in a cycle man. i have been telling people this for years.

the OP obviously had great results without it.
I dont do anything without test, you supressing your production, and your levels going down, but with you dont care for take some girls good lucky for them.
 

SteveSmi

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I dont do anything without test, you supressing your production, and your levels going down, but with you dont care for take some girls good lucky for them.
i have argued this with guys on forums for years but the truth is you suppress your production when you run test too so your logic makes absolutely no sense. hormones are hormones.

by all means run bloodwork and prove me wrong though. problem is i have looked at thousands of bloods and the bloodwork don't lie

guys in the 60's through the 90's never ran test in cycles. that was the golden age of bodybuilding
guys in Asia and middle east rarely use test in cycles. and they are winning competitions and the fastest growing region for bodybuilding

americans are the only ones that seem to believe that you need test in a cycle, it is derived from sources in the 2000's trying to push gear
 

hall0w

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i have argued this with guys on forums for years but the truth is you suppress your production when you run test too so your logic makes absolutely no sense. hormones are hormones.

by all means run bloodwork and prove me wrong though. problem is i have looked at thousands of bloods and the bloodwork don't lie

guys in the 60's through the 90's never ran test in cycles. that was the golden age of bodybuilding
guys in Asia and middle east rarely use test in cycles. and they are winning competitions and the fastest growing region for bodybuilding

americans are the only ones that seem to believe that you need test in a cycle, it is derived from sources in the 2000's trying to push gear
guys in the 60's through the 90's never ran test in cycles because they were afraid of estradiol and polactin since they didn't know exactly how to control these collaterals.

yes you suppress your production without test, but with you use them your levels dont stay to low, and you have motivation to live the side of drive is
awsome, but if you suppress you probably won't feel like doing anything at all.

not necessarily testosterone needs to be the basis for me, but it needs to exist in a protocol.
 

SteveSmi

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guys in the 60's through the 90's never ran test in cycles because they were afraid of estradiol and polactin since they didn't know exactly how to control these collaterals.

yes you suppress your production without test, but with you use them your levels dont stay to low, and you have motivation to live the side of drive is
awsome, but if you suppress you probably won't feel like doing anything at all.

not necessarily testosterone needs to be the basis for me, but it needs to exist in a protocol.
okay man you make good points for sure, yes those guys didn't want estrogen issues as they couldn't combat them in those days. but even today guys in the mid east and asia don't use test. again, it is an american thing.

most of my cycles i do not include test. if i want more androgens and a boost in estrogen then yes i will run it.

remember ALL STEROIDS are derived from male hormones. so when you run them you get shut down no matter what (aside from proviron in some cases),

the same guys who push test in every cycle like it is mandatory are also guys who hopped on TRT in their 20's cause they abused steroids. so they are already using test as part of their TRT, that makes them very biased in their opinions. i'm not on TRT and won't be going on it until maybe my 60's at the earliest.

my last point is it can actually be very beneficial to not use test in a cycle. it avoids estrogenic and androgenic problems. it also allows you to let the steroids shine. in the OP's case he ran EQ solo and let it work its magic without test in there. it worked great for him
 

Tazz

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guys in the 60's through the 90's never ran test in cycles because they were afraid of estradiol and polactin since they didn't know exactly how to control these collaterals.

yes you suppress your production without test, but with you use them your levels dont stay to low, and you have motivation to live the side of drive is
awsome, but if you suppress you probably won't feel like doing anything at all.

not necessarily testosterone needs to be the basis for me, but it needs to exist in a protocol.
well said
 

SteveSmi

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i disagree
that is fine man, disagree all you want. I welcome guys disagreeing with me but all i ask when you do have the courage to call out Steve on a steroid or nutrition topic is come up with more info than "i disagree" .. please show me a study, anectodal evidence, bloodwork showing I am wrong. if you can do that you win my respect.

you have to remember i was around back in the 90's on these forums when meatheads argued about zillions of topics and self proclaimed gurus had opinions on stuff they could not back up with any sort of proof. today in 2021 you can't do that anymore. you can easily prove or disprove claims with simple bloodwork or studies.
 

Tazz

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Sure, takes no courage to call you out Steve. I disagree highly with a lot of your viewpoints, especially this one.


“An androgen is a hormone capable of developing and maintaining masculine characteristics in reproductive tissues (notably the genital tract, as well as in other tissues and organs associated with secondary sexual characteristics and fertility) and contributing to the anabolic status of nonreproductive body tissues (11). The two dominant bioactive androgens circulating in mature mammals, including humans—testosterone

So since we don’t need to cycle with testosterone, and our bodies can run off of nandrolones like deca and tren like you indirectly state, why wernt we made as humans with our main hormone of tren and deca? Should we TRT on deca tren and orals? When you run a cycle; your taking AWAY the main male hormone that your body NEEDS and NATURALLY produces. does your body produce winstrol naturally? tren naturally? deca naturally? anadrol naturally? No, So why should we take away our natural hormone and replace it with a derivative of it such as these compounds.

Steve your argument regarding this topic i never understood, and never will. That’s great you were around and knowledgeable about the 90s era and spreading information from the 90s. So should we also get rid of aromasin and arimidex and rely on proviron again? drink beer post workout? spend 6 hours in the gym a day? Or how about just disregard prami and caber?

So Steve, provided orals had no side effects, tren aswell, would you be happy running your body the rest of your on these compounds in replacement of testosterone? I don’t think so. These compounds are DERIVATIVES, no anabolic steroid can replacement testosterone or mimic what it does.

So let’s just walk around with absolute zero levels of testosterone,

Small studies in the early 2000s found that men with heart disease who underwent testosterone therapy saw only slight improvements. Some were able to increase their walking distance by 33 percent. Another study found that hormone therapy only widened healthy arteries but had no effect on angina pain.

How many steroids can do that?

Research shows that men with higher ratios of total testosterone have a reduced incidence of Alzheimer’s disease. There’s also evidence for a strong correlation between testosterone and thinking abilities such as verbal memory and faster processing speed. Testosterone treatment for men 34 to 70 years old has shown an improvement in spatial memory.

what about that?

Should we just forget about these added benefits while on cycle and walk around with zero testosterone, a hormone our body produces natural since day one? Everything in the body is put there and produced for a reason, crashing it and removing it trying to replace it, will never provide similar results. Crash your estrogen on cycle see what happens. Crash your testosterone on cycle without replacing it see what happens. Crash your prolactin on cycle see what happens.

But no, it’s okay we crash our testosterone, because anabolic steroids can mimic testosterone’s functions... right ..? I might as well just TRT on deca or EQ then since testosterone is so “overrated” and unnecessary, but only on cycle though, right?

So let’s just get rid of PCT’s and testosterone TRT? I don’t think you think that’s a good idea, so why is it a good idea to have zero testosterone on cycle, but zero testosterone when your off isn’t okay? So while on cycle let’s just throw all the health, mental and physical, benefits of testosterone out the window and rely on these man made altercations of it.
Come on Steve. No anabolic can mimic all testosterone’s traits, show me a government study showing a product that can and... you win.
 

RickRock

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Test is the backbone of my cycles and always will be. Your body wants testosterone to operate the most efficiently, not some other hormone or compound. Endocrinoligists give out test to replace test for a reason, and not some other compound. Because test is best

Anybody that wants leave test out of their cycles more power to them. Thats on them. But Not something I would do in a million years or ever endorse
 

SteveSmi

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Sure, takes no courage to call you out Steve. I disagree highly with a lot of your viewpoints, especially this one.


“An androgen is a hormone capable of developing and maintaining masculine characteristics in reproductive tissues (notably the genital tract, as well as in other tissues and organs associated with secondary sexual characteristics and fertility) and contributing to the anabolic status of nonreproductive body tissues (11). The two dominant bioactive androgens circulating in mature mammals, including humans—testosterone

So since we don’t need to cycle with testosterone, and our bodies can run off of nandrolones like deca and tren like you indirectly state, why wernt we made as humans with our main hormone of tren and deca? Should we TRT on deca tren and orals? When you run a cycle; your taking AWAY the main male hormone that your body NEEDS and NATURALLY produces. does your body produce winstrol naturally? tren naturally? deca naturally? anadrol naturally? No, So why should we take away our natural hormone and replace it with a derivative of it such as these compounds.

Steve your argument regarding this topic i never understood, and never will. That’s great you were around and knowledgeable about the 90s era and spreading information from the 90s. So should we also get rid of aromasin and arimidex and rely on proviron again? drink beer post workout? spend 6 hours in the gym a day? Or how about just disregard prami and caber?

So Steve, provided orals had no side effects, tren aswell, would you be happy running your body the rest of your on these compounds in replacement of testosterone? I don’t think so. These compounds are DERIVATIVES, no anabolic steroid can replacement testosterone or mimic what it does.

So let’s just walk around with absolute zero levels of testosterone,

Small studies in the early 2000s found that men with heart disease who underwent testosterone therapy saw only slight improvements. Some were able to increase their walking distance by 33 percent. Another study found that hormone therapy only widened healthy arteries but had no effect on angina pain.

How many steroids can do that?

Research shows that men with higher ratios of total testosterone have a reduced incidence of Alzheimer’s disease. There’s also evidence for a strong correlation between testosterone and thinking abilities such as verbal memory and faster processing speed. Testosterone treatment for men 34 to 70 years old has shown an improvement in spatial memory.

what about that?

Should we just forget about these added benefits while on cycle and walk around with zero testosterone, a hormone our body produces natural since day one? Everything in the body is put there and produced for a reason, crashing it and removing it trying to replace it, will never provide similar results. Crash your estrogen on cycle see what happens. Crash your testosterone on cycle without replacing it see what happens. Crash your prolactin on cycle see what happens.

But no, it’s okay we crash our testosterone, because anabolic steroids can mimic testosterone’s functions... right ..? I might as well just TRT on deca or EQ then since testosterone is so “overrated” and unnecessary, but only on cycle though, right?

So let’s just get rid of PCT’s and testosterone TRT? I don’t think you think that’s a good idea, so why is it a good idea to have zero testosterone on cycle, but zero testosterone when your off isn’t okay? So while on cycle let’s just throw all the health, mental and physical, benefits of testosterone out the window and rely on these man made altercations of it.
Come on Steve. No anabolic can mimic all testosterone’s traits, show me a government study showing a product that can and... you win.
we are debating if you need test in every cycle

what you posted does not prove that. all it says is that men who have proper levels of hormones in their body function better. this is absolutely NOT what I am disagreeing with. and it is a completely different debate. low hormones in the body is bad, high hormones in the body is bad.

this is what really triggers me about guys on forums who want to disagree with me on things. they pull out information that has nothing to do with the topic at hand and then try and ram it through. it would be like arguing minimum wage while posting healthcare data. makes no sense.

lets stick to the topic at hand here. which is DO YOU NEED to inject testosterone IN EVERY CYCLE.

when you run anabolic steroids you are accomplishing this. you can run any steroid and increase male hormones in the body. it does not have to be testosterone specifically. you can also run many steroids for HRT. for muscle wasting doctors were recommending primo to be ran for HRT due to its immune support

you can run sarms without test
you can run pro hormones without test

these are things we have been doing for years. olympic athletes ran dbol alone when it was first introduced.
 

SteveSmi

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again let me repeat

We aren't talking about HRT, we are talking about cycling steroids.

and no test isn't best. Tren blows away testosterone in every category and you damn well know it.

if i had to pick HRT i would run testosterone, it is very good for HRT. at a proper dosage it has just the right amount of estrogen and androgenic effects. testosterone is my #1 choice for that. it is cheap and smooth to inject and has long esters. again that isn't what i am talking about. I can rant for 100 pages about HRT and how 99% of guys go on it who don't really need it or who fucked themselves up. so no i don't want to be lectured by guys on HRT for life about how they are so smart on this topic either. but that isn't the topic at hand

the topic at hand once again is "DO YOU NEED TO INJECT TESTOSTERONE IN EVERY CYCLE"

the topic isn't "Which steroid is best for TRT"

let me put it this way. you won't find a study proving me wrong on this so stop trying. they don't study steroid cycles lol. i was being facetious even offering someone to find it. what we can go with is anecdotal evidence and years of trial and error. any studies you will find have to do with Hormone replacement therapy and all that.

Arnold and others in the golden era of bodybuilding never used test in their cycles so CHECKMATE on this debate. I win. thanks for playing

I will discuss this topic AT LENGTH in the next podcast I do. stay tuned
 
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