SARMS recommendation at 48 years old

[dylangemelli]

Obviously you seem like the go-to person around here on SARMS advice so I appreciate your suggestions, but this seems like an aggressive 1st cycle having no SARMS experience and only strength and aesthetics goals.

I was thinking a double stack at most.

I think you need a lot of enlightening on sarms, how they work and what they entail...

1. gw and sr are NON hormonal with ZERO side effects... they are as light as you can find in any scenario... any beginner would have no clue they are even using them in the side effect department leaving you with only two sarms that can have any sort of side effect potential...

2. this will seem extremely light to you with the steroid compound experience you have

3. these need to be ran 12 weeks... 8 weeks is like running a long estered steroid for only 8 weeks meaning you are leaving a lot on the table and not getting nearly what you could out of them

4. recovery time is a small fraction from what you get with steroids.. with steroids its generally time on = time off at the bare minimum... sarms generally only require 3-4 weeks of time off in between cycles...

5. acp-105 is very light on side effects and rad-140 is very mild as well... this is perfectly fine for someone new to sarms and especially for someone who has the steroid experience you do...


watch my video on sarms vs steroids

its likely you dont follow me nor know my history but ive often been accused of being too conservative on my dosing and plans... i believe in promoting longevity and long term health while still trying to be aggressive in my approach but yielding the least amount of side effects and problems for someone, not only for the longevity but so they can truly get everything they should out of their cycles... i do that with precision and obviously with the years and years of experience i have in this field...

you do whatever you want to do, its your life and im only here to guide and advise... if you feel you know it better etc. then you should always do what you feel is best... people come to me for a reason on these kinds of topics...

 

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[RickV]

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[Maverick602]

I think you need a lot of enlightening on sarms, how they work and what they entail...

1. gw and sr are NON hormonal with ZERO side effects... they are as light as you can find in any scenario... any beginner would have no clue they are even using them in the side effect department leaving you with only two sarms that can have any sort of side effect potential...

2. this will seem extremely light to you with the steroid compound experience you have

3. these need to be ran 12 weeks... 8 weeks is like running a long estered steroid for only 8 weeks meaning you are leaving a lot on the table and not getting nearly what you could out of them

4. recovery time is a small fraction from what you get with steroids.. with steroids its generally time on = time off at the bare minimum... sarms generally only require 3-4 weeks of time off in between cycles...

5. acp-105 is very light on side effects and rad-140 is very mild as well... this is perfectly fine for someone new to sarms and especially for someone who has the steroid experience you do...


watch my video on sarms vs steroids

its likely you dont follow me nor know my history but ive often been accused of being too conservative on my dosing and plans... i believe in promoting longevity and long term health while still trying to be aggressive in my approach but yielding the least amount of side effects and problems for someone, not only for the longevity but so they can truly get everything they should out of their cycles... i do that with precision and obviously with the years and years of experience i have in this field...

you do whatever you want to do, its your life and im only here to guide and advise... if you feel you know it better etc. then you should always do what you feel is best... people come to me for a reason on these kinds of topics...

Hi Dylan,
First off, thank you very much for spending the time to help. Secondly, you are right about many things, but most importantly that I "need a lot of enlightening about sarms".

I have been so far outside the PED world for so long I had NO idea what they hell they were until a young competitive athlete I know well and I were chatting about PED's and he said "dude...all the guys I know use doping compounds now, not steroids". I had no idea what he was talking about so I dove in and started researching.

I am learning more and more every day and have listened/watched a few of your podcasts and find them helpful.

I priced out the cycle you recommended and my jaw hit the floor at $1250 for 12 weeks! It reminded me of gym gear prices for a newbie that got duped back in the day. Yowza. I am hoping I can hit a sale on sarms.forsale.com or something.

Secondly, I need to research the difference between administering powdered vs liquid sarms. Clearly one pays for convenience when buying liquid, but there seems to be a significant cost savings going with the powder.

I have made up my mind to give this a shot and I believe I am going to follow your stack advice.

Knowing how my mind works, I will most likely reach out for advice during this experience, so I thank you in advance for your help.

-Mav

 

[dylangemelli]

Hi Dylan,
First off, thank you very much for spending the time to help. Secondly, you are right about many things, but most importantly that I "need a lot of enlightening about sarms".

I have been so far outside the PED world for so long I had NO idea what they hell they were until a young competitive athlete I know well and I were chatting about PED's and he said "dude...all the guys I know use doping compounds now, not steroids". I had no idea what he was talking about so I dove in and started researching.

I am learning more and more every day and have listened/watched a few of your podcasts and find them helpful.

I priced out the cycle you recommended and my jaw hit the floor at $1250 for 12 weeks! It reminded me of gym gear prices for a newbie that got duped back in the day. Yowza. I am hoping I can hit a sale on sarms.forsale.com or something.

Secondly, I need to research the difference between administering powdered vs liquid sarms. Clearly one pays for convenience when buying liquid, but there seems to be a significant cost savings going with the powder.

I have made up my mind to give this a shot and I believe I am going to follow your stack advice.

Knowing how my mind works, I will most likely reach out for advice during this experience, so I thank you in advance for your help.

-Mav

let me know anytime you need help... with the powder, its for more advanced type users that are able to put them in pills or liquid etc... i doint really get into that aspect of it... i would stick with the liquids or perhaps even the sarms gels at sarms.forsale...

in terms of the price, you have to factor in that over a 12 week span... i assure you its well worth it but thats all up to you... i can tell you with what you are getting based upon cost per month, you will be extremely happy with it... im always here to help and educate however i can bro, thats why im here! ive been helping and teaching everyone for over a decade and while i never claim to know everything, i do feel that in this area i am well versed enough to the point where people entrust me with all of this! let me know if you have other questions, and you can pm me as well

 

[The Suppleminator]

You still need N2GUARD with SARMS>

 

[Maverick602]

let me know anytime you need help... with the powder, its for more advanced type users that are able to put them in pills or liquid etc... i doint really get into that aspect of it... i would stick with the liquids or perhaps even the sarms gels at sarms.forsale...

in terms of the price, you have to factor in that over a 12 week span... i assure you its well worth it but thats all up to you... i can tell you with what you are getting based upon cost per month, you will be extremely happy with it... im always here to help and educate however i can bro, thats why im here! ive been helping and teaching everyone for over a decade and while i never claim to know everything, i do feel that in this area i am well versed enough to the point where people entrust me with all of this! let me know if you have other questions, and you can pm me as well

Thanks again Dylan. Much appreciated. There is a lot to take in and learn and I am hyper picky about what I put in my body. Even back in the day when I was a knucklehead, I took 1/2 the amount most of my friends did and saw better gains with less see effects.. MORE is not always better!!

I'll be in touch.

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks again Dylan. Much appreciated. There is a lot to take in and learn and I am hyper picky about what I put in my body. Even back in the day when I was a knucklehead, I took 1/2 the amount most of my friends did and saw better gains with less see effects.. MORE is not always better!!

I'll be in touch.

everyone should be picky about what they put into their body but unfortunately most are not! its a smart thing to do brother and im happy to help

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I you were thinking more of a double stack then I would look at either GW with RAD or GW with S4 personally. Great options for cutting. Don't forget that adding N2Slin can really help too.

 

[Maverick602]

I you were thinking more of a double stack then I would look at either GW with RAD or GW with S4 personally. Great options for cutting. Don't forget that adding N2Slin can really help too.

Thanks bro. This is helpful. I would like to cut while adding a few pounds of muscle, but my primary goal is to cut and gain strength. If I throw on a few lbs of muscle in the process that's great, but I also don't want to put on 15 lbs of muscle. Is N2Gaurd the same as N2slin?

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Thanks bro. This is helpful. I would like to cut while adding a few pounds of muscle, but my primary goal is to cut and gain strength. If I throw on a few lbs of muscle in the process that's great, but I also don't want to put on 15 lbs of muscle. Is N2Gaurd the same as N2slin?

Nah man, N2Guard is a liver/organ protection supplement that can also be used as a multivitamin. N2Slin is a product you take before meals that will help prevent carbs from being stored as fat. It is a great addition to any cutting stack.

 

[Maverick602]

Nah man, N2Guard is a liver/organ protection supplement that can also be used as a multivitamin. N2Slin is a product you take before meals that will help prevent carbs from being stored as fat. It is a great addition to any cutting stack.

Oooooh...rALA used to be the go to for that back in the day. I'll check it out

 

[Maverick602]

@dylangemelli - Hey man...the more research I do to find my comfort level, the more attractive Cardarine and Ostabolic look to me as my first SARM cycle. You laid the following cycle out for someone else on here in a different thread. He was 1/2 my age, but we had similar goals.

What are your thoughts on this as my first cycle? Thanks!


1-12 GW-501516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

1-12 Mk2866 (OSTABOLIC) 25 mg per day first two weeks then bump to 50 mg per day, dosed once a day in the a.m.

9-12 N2generate https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/hcgenerate-n2generate.html


Mini pct 13-16

Clomid 50/25/25/25 OR Nolva 40/20/20/20

Gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[Maverick602]

@dylangemelli - Hey man...the more research I do to find my comfort level, the more attractive Cardarine and Ostabolic look to me as my first SARM cycle. You laid the following cycle out for someone else on here in a different thread. He was 1/2 my age, but we had similar goals.

What are your thoughts on this as my first cycle? Thanks!


1-12 GW-501516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

1-12 Mk2866 (OSTABOLIC) 25 mg per day first two weeks then bump to 50 mg per day, dosed once a day in the a.m.

9-12 N2generate https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/hcgenerate-n2generate.html


Mini pct 13-16

Clomid 50/25/25/25 OR Nolva 40/20/20/20

Gw-501516 20 mg day

@dylangemelli - Another thought. I know you do not have a crystal ball, but what effects could I expect from cycle #1 and cycle #2 (above)? How would they differ?

Assuming my diet is protein rich, well-balanced and clean and my training is spot on.

 

[dylangemelli]

@dylangemelli - Hey man...the more research I do to find my comfort level, the more attractive Cardarine and Ostabolic look to me as my first SARM cycle. You laid the following cycle out for someone else on here in a different thread. He was 1/2 my age, but we had similar goals.

What are your thoughts on this as my first cycle? Thanks!


1-12 GW-501516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

1-12 Mk2866 (OSTABOLIC) 25 mg per day first two weeks then bump to 50 mg per day, dosed once a day in the a.m.

9-12 N2generate https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/hcgenerate-n2generate.html


Mini pct 13-16

Clomid 50/25/25/25 OR Nolva 40/20/20/20

Gw-501516 20 mg day

if i lay out a cycle, you bet your ass its a good cycle or i would never lay it out.. ive done videos, articles etc that explain each sarm, what they do, effects to expect, any sides etc... thats why i spent so many hours putting out the content, so basic questions are easily accessible to answer

 

[Maverick602]

if i lay out a cycle, you bet your ass its a good cycle or i would never lay it out.. ive done videos, articles etc that explain each sarm, what they do, effects to expect, any sides etc... thats why i spent so many hours putting out the content, so basic questions are easily accessible to answer

I am not questioning your knowledge or experience Dylan. I am not questioning if these cycles are 'good' or not. The stacks you mentioned are obviously well laid out. Again, I am grateful you are here to help!!! I wouldn't be considering SARMS without your guidance.

That said, what I am interested in what are the expected effects of each cycle. Maybe it's because I am getting old and need a teenager to help me find this shit on here, but it's not easy to sift through a sea of information and when first hand experiences by members are nearly all communicated like this.... "Dylan's advice is spot on, this cycle kicked ass!"

Thats's great and all, but how did it kick ass? Does it result in both fat loss and strength gain? How much lean muscle should I expect? How does it effect muscle hardness? May the stack help nagging injuries feel better and/or promote healing?
Does it increase or minimize hunger cravings? Etc.

I am wondering if information like this exists and if so, where can I find it.

If it is not organized in such a way, maybe I can help with this as I become more active around here. I need help yes, but I also want to help.

 

[RealQuadzilla40]

@dylangemelli - Hey man...the more research I do to find my comfort level, the more attractive Cardarine and Ostabolic look to me as my first SARM cycle. You laid the following cycle out for someone else on here in a different thread. He was 1/2 my age, but we had similar goals.

What are your thoughts on this as my first cycle? Thanks!


1-12 GW-501516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

1-12 Mk2866 (OSTABOLIC) 25 mg per day first two weeks then bump to 50 mg per day, dosed once a day in the a.m.

9-12 N2generate https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/hcgenerate-n2generate.html


Mini pct 13-16

Clomid 50/25/25/25 OR Nolva 40/20/20/20

Gw-501516 20 mg day

@dylangemelli - Another thought. I know you do not have a crystal ball, but what effects could I expect from cycle #1 and cycle #2 (above)? How would they differ?

Assuming my diet is protein rich, well-balanced and clean and my training is spot on.

@Maverick602 all good I'll give you some ups on this since @dylangemelli not giving you details

I have my own take on cycles.

If you try my cycle which is roughly the same as Dylan, you can get good fat loss and light muscle gains, think of it as safer anavar cycle.

Week 1-8
20mgs cardarine gw /ed
50mgs ostarine mk/ed
25mgs testolone rad/ed
7caps n2guard/ed

Split dose into 1/2 AM and 1/2 preworkout (on rest days take after 2nd meal)

I've done gw/mk/rad cycles with good results. Last time I dropped about 2-3 lbs of bodyfat and gained at least 2 lbs of muscle so great recomp, considering naturally it takes me at least 1 year to do that.

Hope this helps.

 

[RealQuadzilla40]

I am not questioning your knowledge or experience Dylan. I am not questioning if these cycles are 'good' or not. The stacks you mentioned are obviously well laid out. Again, I am grateful you are here to help!!! I wouldn't be considering SARMS without your guidance.

That said, what I am interested in what are the expected effects of each cycle. Maybe it's because I am getting old and need a teenager to help me find this shit on here, but it's not easy to sift through a sea of information and when first hand experiences by members are nearly all communicated like this.... "Dylan's advice is spot on, this cycle kicked ass!"

Thats's great and all, but how did it kick ass? Does it result in both fat loss and strength gain? How much lean muscle should I expect? How does it effect muscle hardness? May the stack help nagging injuries feel better and/or promote healing?
Does it increase or minimize hunger cravings? Etc.

I am wondering if information like this exists and if so, where can I find it.

If it is not organized in such a way, maybe I can help with this as I become more active around here. I need help yes, but I also want to help.

A little more sarms info for your refences btw

SARMS

SARMS

www.evolutionary.org

podcasts

Podcasts

Podcasts

www.evolutionary.org

Podcast Archives - iSARMS.com

www.isarms.com

 

[Maverick602]

@Maverick602 all good I'll give you some ups on this since @dylangemelli not giving you details

I have my own take on cycles.

If you try my cycle which is roughly the same as Dylan, you can get good fat loss and light muscle gains, think of it as safer anavar cycle.

Week 1-8
20mgs cardarine gw /ed
50mgs ostarine mk/ed
25mgs testolone rad/ed
7caps n2guard/ed

Split dose into 1/2 AM and 1/2 preworkout (on rest days take after 2nd meal)

I've done gw/mk/rad cycles with good results. Last time I dropped about 2-3 lbs of bodyfat and gained at least 2 lbs of muscle so great recomp, considering naturally it takes me at least 1 year to do that.

Hope this helps.

Great input! Thank you. The gains gains you mentioned are decent compared to staying natural. Question...how do you feel during this cycle. Does your strength increase noticeably? How muscle hardness affected?

My favorite cycle was always Primo and Anavar, two compounds with minimal side effects. I have also done anavar only cycles. If I could find a cycle that mimics Primo and Anavar, I would be in heaven.

In the end, I realize the only way for me to know how I will be affected is to pull the trigger, bit I am always playing devil's advocate and doing a ton of research beforehand.

This helped. Thanks again

 

[dylangemelli]

gw provides endurance, fat loss, and an extremely accelerated rate of vo2max increase which allows for maximum output which would result in max gains being able to be achieved... your training will be at its highest level

mk2866 is great for lean muscle, healing, strength, recovery, fat loss,

combined you can do a number of things based on diet manipulation and how you train...

gw also helps with cholesterol and blood pressure improvement on top of increasing metabolism...

no toxicity, no estrogen conversion etc... side effects are extremely minimal if any on this and if you are on trt, you wont see really anything side effect wise and mk2866 is minimal on suppression


all sarms feed off each other and thats why stacking them is superior