Approved Log My Weight Loss and Recomp Cycle Log

[Ulter]

Me as a "Nerd" on Halloween a couple of years before in front of the same door (of course my Wife has painted, again since then).

Awesome picture. That's some great changes you've made.

 

[ballin2504]

I am 60 years old. I was on Tirzepitide to lose weight, worked out 6 days a week (Probably over trained a bit @ 120 sets a week)

Original 6-Day Split (repeated twice)

Day 1 & 4 – Chest + Biceps
9 exercises × 3 sets = 27 sets per day → × 2 = 54 sets per week

Day 2 & 5 – Back + Shoulders
7 exercises × 3 sets = 21 sets per day → × 2 = 42 sets per week

Day 3 & 6 – Legs
~4 exercises × 3 sets = 12 sets per day → × 2 = 24 sets per week

Kept 1200 calories a day intake, with 200+ grams of that Protein for almost a year. I went from 235 to 165 in about 11 months. Being 60 TRT is a way of life for me, around 100mg/week Test C for all of that time.


Peptide schedule
Tesamorelin 2 mg Skip Sat/Sun
Ipamorelin 300 mcg Skip Sat/Sun
BPC-157 1,000 mcg/day
TB-500 1,000 mcg/day
GHK-Cu 5,000 mcg/day

Last measured IGF-1 437, up from 226 with just Sermorelin, up from natural 202.

Dr. prescribed Anavar to "counter muscle loss" which I didn't really have because of my gym schedule and protein intake.

Supplement schedule to counter Anavar

Collagen peptide 11g
NMN 1000 mcg (sublingual, split morning & noon)
Vitamin D3 + K2 (MK-7) 5,000 IU + 100–120 mcg
Resveratrol 666 mcg
TMG (Trimethylglycine) 1,000 mg
L-Citrulline Malate (2:1) 6–8 g
TUDCA 1000 mg (split morning afternoon)
NAC Sustain 1200 mg (split)
Milk Thistle 600 mg (split)
Citrus Bergamot 600 mg
CoQ10 + PQQ 400 mg / 20 mg
Ultimate Omega 4 X 2,150 mg Omega-3
Niacin (Nicotinic Acid) 1500 mg (split 3 x day)
Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg
Turmeric Curcumin w/ Black Pepper1,500 mg
Taurine 2–3 g

July 2nd Dexa scan 164.7 lbs. 32.9 lbs fat (2.95 lbs of that visceral fat) for 19.9% BF

July 20th Started Anavar Cycle (25mg/day morning) for 8 weeks. Upped calories to around 2500-2800. Test C at 100/mg/week. Dropped Tirzepitide to 5mg/week.

6 days a week in the gym, 6 days a week cardio on the road walking 4 miles, then 6, then 6 to 8 (occasional 13.2 on a saturday) early in the morning. TDEE was around 3000, so still in a 500 to 200 calorie deficit.

Sept 20th ended Anavar cycle, October 3rd had 2nd dexa scan.

Body weight, exactly the same 164.7lbs. only 20.1 Lbs fat, for 12.2% BF. I gained 12.7 lbs muscle, and lost 12.8 lbs fat, with 1.83 lbs of that being visceral fat loss.

Blood work on 10/14.

HDL 80, LDL 76, total cholesterol 168
SHBG 27.7
Estradiol , Sensitive 30.8
Hematocrit 49
T-4 .95, T-3 3.3
AST 37
ALT 32

Current Workout (I scaled back a bit and changed muscle days to match Push, Leg, Pull)

Push A + Push B​	Chest, Shoulder, Tris​	~50 sets​
Legs A + Legs B​	Legs​	~22 sets​
Pull A + Pull B​	Back, Biceps, Traps​	~41 sets​
Total Weekly Sets​		≈ 113 sets​

Current Cycle,
16 weeks total

Week 1-12 NPP@ 75mg/eod (Beligas 150mg/ml) On 9th Injection as of 10/30
Week 5 - 14 add Mast P @ 75mg/eod (pharmaqo-drost100)
Week 9 -12 add Anavar @ 50mg/day. 25mg morning and 25 mg afternoon (Pharmacom Labs 25 mg and 10 mg tabs)
Week 13-16 Anavar @ 60mg/day (adding 10 mg at night)

Attempting to hit 3000 calories a day (225g Protein, 83g fat, 338g carbs)

Sleep routine
In bed by 9:30 sleep 7 1/2 to 8 hours

Selank 300 mcg
Epithalon 5 mg subQ (only 20 or 30 day cycle)
Magnesium Glycinate 400mg
Magnesium L-Threonate 2g
L-Theanine 200m
Ashwagandha 2000 MG
Apigenin 50 mg
Melatonin 1 mg

@knarfster welcome aboard anabolex man. We are glad to have you and seeing you hit hard at 60. Let’s get it.

 

[knarfster]

Getting my 4 week on NPP blood draw tomorrow. All goes well I add the MAST C.

 

[knarfster]

Awesome picture. That's some great changes you've made.

Thanks, that means a lot coming from someone who works as hard as you!

 

[GHgut4life]

Getting my 4 week on NPP blood draw tomorrow. All goes well I add the MAST C.

waiting on bloods brother
you getting training diet up? waiting on updates
@knarfster we anxious

 

[Ulter]

Thanks, that means a lot coming from someone who works as hard as you!

ABX family respect to you

 

[knarfster]

To answer the diet question.

I aim for around 3000 calories a day.
Protein 225mg
Fat 83 gm
Carbs 338 gm

3 or 4 elite CorePower 42gm protein shakes a day depending on where my Protein sits.
Lots of oats or Daves bread for fiber, and only protein cheerios or Raisin bran for breakfast (with shake being the "milk". Boneless skinless chicken and rice with broccoli mostly , with a shredded beef burrito thrown in. And if i am light on overall calories I halve a half serving of Mass Gainer with Coconut milk. Done eating by 6 pm, maybe a snack if I haven't reached 3000.

Blood work last Thursday is in

Total Testosterone: >1500 ng/dL
Free Testosterone: 48.7 pg/mL
SHBG: 14 nmol/L
Estradiol (LC/MS): 26 pg/mL
Prolactin: 11.6 ng/mL
AST (SGOT): 55 IU/L
ALT (SGPT): 46 IU/L
Alkaline Phosphatase: 73 IU/L
Total Bilirubin: 0.4 mg/dL
Direct Bilirubin: 0.16 mg/dL
Albumin: 4.2 g/dL
Total Cholesterol: 141 mg/dL
LDL-C (calculated): 70 mg/dL
HDL-C: 60 mg/dL
Triglycerides: 49 mg/dL
Non-HDL-C: 81 mg/dL
ApoB: 69 mg/dL
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio: 2.35
Creatinine: 1.23 mg/dL
BUN: 25 mg/dL
eGFR: 67 mL/min/1.73 m²
Sodium: 137 mmol/L
Potassium: 4.4 mmol/L
Glucose (fasting): 77 mg/dL
BUN/Creatinine Ratio: 20

 

[knarfster]

Added 75mg/eod MAST-P yesterday. Starting week 5 of NPP (75mg/eod)

 

[knarfster]

Hematocrit 46.1

 

[GHgut4life]

To answer the diet question.

I aim for around 3000 calories a day.
Protein 225mg
Fat 83 gm
Carbs 338 gm

3 or 4 elite CorePower 42gm protein shakes a day depending on where my Protein sits.
Lots of oats or Daves bread for fiber, and only protein cheerios or Raisin bran for breakfast (with shake being the "milk". Boneless skinless chicken and rice with broccoli mostly , with a shredded beef burrito thrown in. And if i am light on overall calories I halve a half serving of Mass Gainer with Coconut milk. Done eating by 6 pm, maybe a snack if I haven't reached 3000.

Blood work last Thursday is in

Total Testosterone: >1500 ng/dL
Free Testosterone: 48.7 pg/mL
SHBG: 14 nmol/L
Estradiol (LC/MS): 26 pg/mL
Prolactin: 11.6 ng/mL
AST (SGOT): 55 IU/L
ALT (SGPT): 46 IU/L
Alkaline Phosphatase: 73 IU/L
Total Bilirubin: 0.4 mg/dL
Direct Bilirubin: 0.16 mg/dL
Albumin: 4.2 g/dL
Total Cholesterol: 141 mg/dL
LDL-C (calculated): 70 mg/dL
HDL-C: 60 mg/dL
Triglycerides: 49 mg/dL
Non-HDL-C: 81 mg/dL
ApoB: 69 mg/dL
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio: 2.35
Creatinine: 1.23 mg/dL
BUN: 25 mg/dL
eGFR: 67 mL/min/1.73 m²
Sodium: 137 mmol/L
Potassium: 4.4 mmol/L
Glucose (fasting): 77 mg/dL
BUN/Creatinine Ratio: 20

Added 75mg/eod MAST-P yesterday. Starting week 5 of NPP (75mg/eod)

Hematocrit 46.1

can you post all blood with ranges for us pls brother
@knarfster

 

[knarfster]

can you post all blood with ranges for us pls brother
@knarfster

Do you just need the ranges, that is all of the blood scores look above 2 posts before hematocrit

 

[knarfster]

can you post all blood with ranges for us pls brother
@knarfster

Everything is normal except Test total and free and ALT/AST is slightly elevated.

 

[knarfster]

can you post all blood with ranges for us pls brother
@knarfster

All numbers with ranges

Total Testosterone – >1500 (264–916)
Free Testosterone – 48.7 (6.6–18.1)
SHBG – 14 (19.3–76.4)
Estradiol (LC/MS) – 26 (8–35)
Prolactin – 11.6 (3.6–25.2)
AST – 55 (0–40)
ALT – 46 (0–44)
Alkaline Phosphatase – 73 (47–123)
Total Bilirubin – 0.4 (0.0–1.2)
Direct Bilirubin – 0.16 (0.00–0.40)
Albumin – 4.2 (3.8–4.9)
Total Cholesterol – 141 (100–199)
LDL-C – 70 (0–99)
HDL-C – 60 (>39)
Triglycerides – 49 (0–149)
Non-HDL-C – 81 (0–129)
ApoB – 69 (<90)
Chol/HDL Ratio – 2.35 (<5.0)
Creatinine – 1.23 (0.76–1.27)
BUN – 25 (8–27)
eGFR – 67 (>59)
Sodium – 137 (134–144)
Potassium – 4.4 (3.5–5.2)
Glucose (fasting) – 77 (70–99)
BUN/Creatinine Ratio – 20 (10–24)
Hematocrit – 46.1 (37.5–51.0)

 

[GHgut4life]

All numbers with ranges

Total Testosterone – >1500 (264–916)
Free Testosterone – 48.7 (6.6–18.1)
SHBG – 14 (19.3–76.4)
Estradiol (LC/MS) – 26 (8–35)
Prolactin – 11.6 (3.6–25.2)
AST – 55 (0–40)
ALT – 46 (0–44)
Alkaline Phosphatase – 73 (47–123)
Total Bilirubin – 0.4 (0.0–1.2)
Direct Bilirubin – 0.16 (0.00–0.40)
Albumin – 4.2 (3.8–4.9)
Total Cholesterol – 141 (100–199)
LDL-C – 70 (0–99)
HDL-C – 60 (>39)
Triglycerides – 49 (0–149)
Non-HDL-C – 81 (0–129)
ApoB – 69 (<90)
Chol/HDL Ratio – 2.35 (<5.0)
Creatinine – 1.23 (0.76–1.27)
BUN – 25 (8–27)
eGFR – 67 (>59)
Sodium – 137 (134–144)
Potassium – 4.4 (3.5–5.2)
Glucose (fasting) – 77 (70–99)
BUN/Creatinine Ratio – 20 (10–24)
Hematocrit – 46.1 (37.5–51.0)

you ast alt needs work imo and kidney bun high side
you taking n2guard?
@knarfster

 

[knarfster]

you ast alt needs work imo and kidney bun high side
you taking n2guard?
@knarfster

No, Here is my current supplementation. I increased my TUDCA and NAC, Milk Thistle and added Schizandra.
I also added this LIPO-C formula, 1ML/eod. https://peptidecrafters.com/product/lipo-c10ml/

Upon Waking (5:30 AM)
Supplement Dose Purpose / Notes
NMN 500 mcg (sublingual) Wait 30 minutes before breakfast
Vitamin D3 + K2 (MK-7) 5,000 IU + 100–120 mcg Supports hormone, bone & vascular health

Pre-Workout (6:00 AM)
Resveratrol 666 mcg
TMG (Trimethylglycine) 1,000 mg
L-Citrulline Malate (2:1) 6–8 g Nitric oxide boost, endurance, muscle pump
TUDCA 500 mg Liver support
NAC Sustain 600 mg
Milk Thistle 300 mg
Citrus Bergamot 600 mg
CoQ10 + PQQ 400 mg / 20 mg
Ultimate Omega 2X 2,150 mg Omega-3

Breakfast (8:00 AM)
Niacin (Nicotinic Acid) 500 mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg
Schizandra 500 mg
Turmeric Curcumin w/ Black Pepper 1,500 mg Taken with coffee & collagen (joint and inflammation support)

Lunch (~12:00 PM)
NMN 500 mcg
Niacin (Nicotinic Acid) 500 mg
Ultimate Omega 2X 2,150 mg Omega-3
Citrus Bergamot 600 mg
NAC Sustain 600 mg Total 1,200 mg/day
Milk Thistle 300 mg Total 600 mg/day
TUDCA 500 mg Liver support
Taurine 2–3 g Cardiac rhythm & anti-cramping support

Dinner (6:00 PM)
Niacin (Nicotinic Acid) 500 mg
Schizandra 500mg
TUDCA 500mg

 

[GHgut4life]

No, Here is my current supplementation. I increased my TUDCA and NAC, Milk Thistle and added Schizandra.
I also added this LIPO-C formula, 1ML/eod. https://peptidecrafters.com/product/lipo-c10ml/

Upon Waking (5:30 AM)
Supplement Dose Purpose / Notes
NMN 500 mcg (sublingual) Wait 30 minutes before breakfast
Vitamin D3 + K2 (MK-7) 5,000 IU + 100–120 mcg Supports hormone, bone & vascular health

Pre-Workout (6:00 AM)
Resveratrol 666 mcg
TMG (Trimethylglycine) 1,000 mg
L-Citrulline Malate (2:1) 6–8 g Nitric oxide boost, endurance, muscle pump
TUDCA 500 mg Liver support
NAC Sustain 600 mg
Milk Thistle 300 mg
Citrus Bergamot 600 mg
CoQ10 + PQQ 400 mg / 20 mg
Ultimate Omega 2X 2,150 mg Omega-3

Breakfast (8:00 AM)
Niacin (Nicotinic Acid) 500 mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg
Schizandra 500 mg
Turmeric Curcumin w/ Black Pepper 1,500 mg Taken with coffee & collagen (joint and inflammation support)

Lunch (~12:00 PM)
NMN 500 mcg
Niacin (Nicotinic Acid) 500 mg
Ultimate Omega 2X 2,150 mg Omega-3
Citrus Bergamot 600 mg
NAC Sustain 600 mg Total 1,200 mg/day
Milk Thistle 300 mg Total 600 mg/day
TUDCA 500 mg Liver support
Taurine 2–3 g Cardiac rhythm & anti-cramping support

Dinner (6:00 PM)
Niacin (Nicotinic Acid) 500 mg
Schizandra 500mg
TUDCA 500mg

you're using like 30 supplements all of which are already in n2guard brother
why not just use 1 bottle? @knarfster
and you're missing a lot of multi vitamisn here imo

 

[knarfster]

you're using like 30 supplements all of which are already in n2guard brother
why not just use 1 bottle? @knarfster
and you're missing a lot of multi vitamisn here imo

I didn't list the Multi I am on, and I read N2Gaurd ingredients. It didn't have a lot of those things listed. NMN, resveratrol, citrus bergamot, CoQ10 + PQQ, high‐dose niacin, ALA, schizandra. And the TUDCA, NAC, Milk Thistle are not nearly as much as I take.

With help of AI comparing the 2.

Mapping of Overlap, Under-dose / Overdose, and Unique Items​

Nutrient / Ingredient	N2Guard dose	GNC Mega Men 50 Plus dose	Your Stack dose	Comments
NAC (N-Acetyl L-Cysteine)	300 mg	—	600 mg + 600 mg = 1,200 mg/day	You’re ~4× N2Guard; GNC doesn’t add NAC.
TUDCA	250 mg	—	500 mg × 3 = 1,500 mg/day	~6× N2Guard.
Milk Thistle (Silymarin)	300 mg	—	300 mg × 2 = 600 mg/day	Double N2Guard.
Turmeric / Curcumin	125 mg	100 mg	1,500 mg + piperine	You greatly exceed both.
Taurine	233 mg	—	2–3 g/day	10× higher than N2Guard.
Omega-3 (EPA / DHA)	15 mg	60 mg fish oil (~18 mg EPA/DHA)	~4,300 mg/day	Massive difference — your dose is therapeutic.
CoQ10 + PQQ	10 mcg CoQ10	2 mg CoQ10	400 mg CoQ10 + 20 mg PQQ	Orders of magnitude higher.
Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA)	not listed / trace	25 mg	600 mg	Your dose is full therapeutic.
Niacin (Vitamin B3)	not listed	32 mg niacinamide	500 mg × 3 = 1,500 mg/day	You far exceed standard levels
Vitamin D3	100 IU	2,000 IU	5,000 IU (MK-7 combo)	Total ≈ 7,000 IU/day — monitor 25-OH D labs.
Vitamin K2 (MK-7)	—	— (K1 present only)	100–120 mcg MK-7	You cover MK-7 specifically (not in others).
Vitamin C	250 mg	150 mg	—	If added, ≈ 400 mg total intake (RDA met).
Vitamin B12 / Folate / B-complex	1,000 mcg B12 + B’s 25 mg each	B12 100 mcg + B’s 20–25 mg range	Not supplemented directly	Adequately covered by multi + N2Guard.
Zinc	15 mg	30 mg	—	Combined 45 mg — high; ensure copper balance.
Selenium	25 mcg	200 mcg	—	225 mcg total — near upper safe limit (400 mcg).
Magnesium	50 mg	50 mg	—	Only ~100 mg total — low vs ideal 400–500 mg/day.
Iodine	100 mcg	150 mcg	—	Total 250 mcg = safe.
Resveratrol, NMN, TMG, Citrulline Malate, Citrus Bergamot, Schizandra, PQQ	—	—	Present in your stack only	Unique to your stack (longevity and vascular support).
Saw Palmetto / Lycopene / Men’s Herbs	—	Saw Palmetto 80 mg + Lycopene 6 mg	—	Unique to GNC multi; supports prostate health.
Policosanol, Red Yeast Rice, Garlic Extract, Astragalus, Bacopa, Yerba Mate	Present in N2Guard	—	—	Unique to N2Guard (metabolic / organ support).

 

[knarfster]

My stack is $110 a month, mostly from Amazon, and as you can see my supplements have MUCH higher doses of the items that affect Liver and Cardiovascular health the most.

It's a lot of pills to take, but at 60 I have to make sure the Liver and Heart are doing well.

This doesn't even include the 1ml LIPO-C injection I just started and take EOD when I inject NPP and MAST.

1 ml has:
L-Carnitine 20mg
L-Arginine 20mg
Methionine 25mg
Inositol 50mg
Choline 50mg
B6(Pyridoxine) 25mg
B5(Dexpanthenol)25mg
B12 (Methylcobalamin) 1mg

peptidecrafters.com/product/lipo-c10ml/

 

[knarfster]

Apparently 1,500 mg of Niacin can raise your AST/ALT, so I cut back to 1,000 mg a day, which should still boost HDL. I am adding 25mg/day Policosanol, 600mg /day of Garlic extract and 2g of Phytosterols. I am also going to add a low dose, 10mg/day of Cardarine.

Should help with the following:
HDL ≈ +15 mg/dL
LDL ≈ −40–50 mg/dL
Triglycerides ↓ 35–45 %
ALT ↓ 10–25 %
ALT ↓ 10–25 %

Part of the higher BUN score is increased inflammation due to recent dental work. My Cystatin -C score is 1.10 which slightly elevated but within range, so kidneys are fine.

 

[GHgut4life]

I didn't list the Multi I am on, and I read N2Gaurd ingredients. It didn't have a lot of those things listed. NMN, resveratrol, citrus bergamot, CoQ10 + PQQ, high‐dose niacin, ALA, schizandra. And the TUDCA, NAC, Milk Thistle are not nearly as much as I take.

With help of AI comparing the 2.

Mapping of Overlap, Under-dose / Overdose, and Unique Items​

Nutrient / Ingredient	N2Guard dose	GNC Mega Men 50 Plus dose	Your Stack dose	Comments
NAC (N-Acetyl L-Cysteine)	300 mg	—	600 mg + 600 mg = 1,200 mg/day	You’re ~4× N2Guard; GNC doesn’t add NAC.
TUDCA	250 mg	—	500 mg × 3 = 1,500 mg/day	~6× N2Guard.
Milk Thistle (Silymarin)	300 mg	—	300 mg × 2 = 600 mg/day	Double N2Guard.
Turmeric / Curcumin	125 mg	100 mg	1,500 mg + piperine	You greatly exceed both.
Taurine	233 mg	—	2–3 g/day	10× higher than N2Guard.
Omega-3 (EPA / DHA)	15 mg	60 mg fish oil (~18 mg EPA/DHA)	~4,300 mg/day	Massive difference — your dose is therapeutic.
CoQ10 + PQQ	10 mcg CoQ10	2 mg CoQ10	400 mg CoQ10 + 20 mg PQQ	Orders of magnitude higher.
Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA)	not listed / trace	25 mg	600 mg	Your dose is full therapeutic.
Niacin (Vitamin B3)	not listed	32 mg niacinamide	500 mg × 3 = 1,500 mg/day	You far exceed standard levels
Vitamin D3	100 IU	2,000 IU	5,000 IU (MK-7 combo)	Total ≈ 7,000 IU/day — monitor 25-OH D labs.
Vitamin K2 (MK-7)	—	— (K1 present only)	100–120 mcg MK-7	You cover MK-7 specifically (not in others).
Vitamin C	250 mg	150 mg	—	If added, ≈ 400 mg total intake (RDA met).
Vitamin B12 / Folate / B-complex	1,000 mcg B12 + B’s 25 mg each	B12 100 mcg + B’s 20–25 mg range	Not supplemented directly	Adequately covered by multi + N2Guard.
Zinc	15 mg	30 mg	—	Combined 45 mg — high; ensure copper balance.
Selenium	25 mcg	200 mcg	—	225 mcg total — near upper safe limit (400 mcg).
Magnesium	50 mg	50 mg	—	Only ~100 mg total — low vs ideal 400–500 mg/day.
Iodine	100 mcg	150 mcg	—	Total 250 mcg = safe.
Resveratrol, NMN, TMG, Citrulline Malate, Citrus Bergamot, Schizandra, PQQ	—	—	Present in your stack only	Unique to your stack (longevity and vascular support).
Saw Palmetto / Lycopene / Men’s Herbs	—	Saw Palmetto 80 mg + Lycopene 6 mg	—	Unique to GNC multi; supports prostate health.
Policosanol, Red Yeast Rice, Garlic Extract, Astragalus, Bacopa, Yerba Mate	Present in N2Guard	—	—	Unique to N2Guard (metabolic / organ support).

My stack is $110 a month, mostly from Amazon, and as you can see my supplements have MUCH higher doses of the items that affect Liver and Cardiovascular health the most.

It's a lot of pills to take, but at 60 I have to make sure the Liver and Heart are doing well.

This doesn't even include the 1ml LIPO-C injection I just started and take EOD when I inject NPP and MAST.

1 ml has:
L-Carnitine 20mg
L-Arginine 20mg
Methionine 25mg
Inositol 50mg
Choline 50mg
B6(Pyridoxine) 25mg
B5(Dexpanthenol)25mg
B12 (Methylcobalamin) 1mg

peptidecrafters.com/product/lipo-c10ml/

Apparently 1,500 mg of Niacin can raise your AST/ALT, so I cut back to 1,000 mg a day, which should still boost HDL. I am adding 25mg/day Policosanol, 600mg /day of Garlic extract and 2g of Phytosterols. I am also going to add a low dose, 10mg/day of Cardarine.

Should help with the following:
HDL ≈ +15 mg/dL
LDL ≈ −40–50 mg/dL
Triglycerides ↓ 35–45 %
ALT ↓ 10–25 %
ALT ↓ 10–25 %

Part of the higher BUN score is increased inflammation due to recent dental work. My Cystatin -C score is 1.10 which slightly elevated but within range, so kidneys are fine.

ai doesnt know shit brother
@knarfster they never took supps its just a chat bot repeating shit
im telling you you're overcomplicated it, take n2guard 1 bottle instead of a ton
if you dont want to sure dont do it, if you feel you know it all more than guys that been doing this for 20 years